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Proposal: give the right to hide flow posts only to autoconfirmed

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every now and then anons are inappropriately hiding flow posts. I'm not even sure its malicious I think they just think the button means mark as read. anyways, can we restrict the right to autoconfirm? Bawolff (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - It doesn't make sense to me that we restrict "Edit Structured Discussions posts by other users (flow-edit-post)" right to autoconfirmed users while giving access to "flow-hide" right to all users. I mean I have seen a number of IPs vandalising by hiding posts. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 01:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

sure DannyS712 (talk) 01:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I've noticed that a number of times recently as well - not sure it needs to necessarily be autoconfirmed, just logged in. DSquirrelGM𝓣𝓟𝓒 02:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Strong support. Hidden topics can't be noticed unless you actually follow them in your watchlist, and the hide action is not notified in Echo, it only appears when visiting the watchlist, which is annoying. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 10:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

For context, originally hiding posts was only available to sysops (I think), and people complained that "normal users can blank talk pages!" and so rights were altered. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't the same logic applies for flow-edit-post right? Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 11:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

sounds fine to me, although i'll note that this seems like it has been less of a problem in practise. Bawolff (talk) 05:34, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that too. Happy to implement the consensus request, once it settles down. Thoughts? Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:44, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm in support of this request. Leaderboard (talk) 05:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

So am I. I can't recall I've ever seen an anon use that function productively. —Mainframe98 _talk 10:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I think this counts as consensus? Bawolff (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I suppose. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 14:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I think so, haven't seen any opposition. Leaderboard (talk) 18:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd consider this to be resolved as accepted by all that have contributed to the discussion. DSquirrelGM𝓣𝓟𝓒 23:14, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Filed as T245780. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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red link to Help:Section

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On page Help:What_links_here section 2, following link is undefined => Help:Section linking and redirects

[[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Section#Section linking and redirects|Help:Section linking and redirects]]

Can someone correct please ? Thanks.

Christian FR (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Doing a web search, looks like this link exists only on meta-wiki. I've linked to it. Not translatable, though :( Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 10:19, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

ok it is good enough; several links in this page are related to meta pages. Thanks.

Christian FR (talk) 10:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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Help:What_links_here obsolete Query example

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Help:What_links_here Section 6 => https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/query.php?what=backlinks%7Cembeddedin&titles=template:t&bllimit=500&eilimit=500&blfilter=all&eifilter=all provides

Sorry, the old query.php interface has been shut down as of 25 August, 2008 in favor of MediaWiki's native machine API.
Please update your scripts to use the current interfaces, which are actively maintained..

Can someone correct please ? Thanks.

Christian FR (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

The error is pretty self-explanatory. I am not sure how it can say things better. Use the new interactive API interface https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php to get what you want. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks but I only do translations and the original page should be at least reread and functional for our readers to have immediate answer. If not, I ask for help and I dont think one can blame me for that. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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help : my first template breaks inline text

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Hi this is my first Template:msgtxt concatenating template msg and int. When these are called separately inline result is ok, but when my template is called, indentation is broken and inline is not respected why ? . Example is called on section 1 of Help:Watching_pages :

While viewing a page

The white star (or the link "Watch" in the monobook skin), located at the margin of each page, adds the current page to your watchlist, and turns the star into blue (or in the monobook skin a "Unwatch" link).
The
message with id 'addedwatchtext' (talk) "$1" and its discussion page have been added to your watchlist.
or 

message with id 'removedwatchtext' (talk) "$1" and its discussion page have been removed from your watchlist. , respectively, i

Be indulgent.Thanks

Text before message with id 'addedwatchtext' (talk) "$1" and its discussion page have been added to your watchlist.text betweenmessage with id 'addedwatchtext' (talk) "$1" and its discussion page have been added to your watchlist.text after.<= here in this note, the sequence is respected; tag translate problem ?

Christian FR (talk) 13:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

This is caused by extra newlines that you inadvertently added inside the template. I've fixed that. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Great ! so the template skeleton is  :

<noinclude><languages/>
</noinclude>|---here is the active code of the template---|<noinclude>
{{documentation|content= .... }} </noinclude>

Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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Wiki Loves Folklore

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Hello Folks,

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remains old SVN link to tables.sql

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Hi all, following SVN reference remains at top of Manual:Templatelinks_table page =>

[http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql?revision=15779]{{dead link|date=April 2018}}

What should it be replaced with ? or still worth to be mentionned there ? Thanks.

Christian FR (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the link. It serves no purpose here Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Great, one star more for your nice collaboration work. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 17:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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Wanted pages translation variables

I've asked Masumrezarock100 (talk • contribs • logs) that we could delete some pages from Special:WantedPages, but with some requirements:

• Page title:
  • The pages should be in the main and Template: namespaces.
  • Their {{BASEPAGENAME}} should begin with a dollar sign ($).
• Coding:
  • For templates:

    <includeonly>[[Template:{{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}]]</includeonly><noinclude>{{Translation variable notice}}</noinclude>

  • For other pages:

    {{Translation variable notice}}

• The template "Translation variable notice" is located at User:Keyacom/sandbox/Translation variable notice.

Masumrezarock100 said we have too many pages like that if we would need to do this by hand, and he said a bot can handle this. C.Ezra.M (talk) 14:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what do you want to do... create those red link pages with a placeholder template? I don't think that's clean. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 21:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I meant this, Ciencia Al Poder. The definite answer to this question is a big YES. C.Ezra.M (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment: please don't bring up off-wiki information about an user, it is irrelevant to this discussion and probably the user in question is not comfortable with this. Repeated misuse of such information will lead to a block. Anybody is free to provide their opinions in this public discussion. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

The answer is still

==  == =====  ===
==  == ==    ==  ==
 ====  ====   ==
  ==   ==   ==  ==
  ==   =====  ==

C.Ezra.M (talk) 08:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Comments like that are not productive here unless you explain what they mean. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 08:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

This means "yes", and I would also invite other translation administrators to this discussion. C.Ezra.M (talk) 08:24, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Most of the pages that appear are translation unit subpages.

I don't know if it would be reasonable for those translation units subpages to not track links at all. That would solve the entire problem from the software side. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm actually talking about pages like $man, $meta... C.Ezra.M (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm talking about them too. And those pages get linked from translation unit subpages, not normal pages. Hence my suggestion. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 19:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

They appear on the Special:WantedPages regardless. C.Ezra.M (talk) 13:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

That's expected, since nobody changed the software to prevent that. I only made a suggestion. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 18:41, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project

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Editing Sites using MediaWiki/en

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"It seems that you're trying to add an external link to a page". Well yes, that's what "Sites using MediaWiki/en" is meant for. I happen to be logged into Wikipedia but that seems irrelevant. Your page asks for an external link, I was obliging but to no effect, your security won't let me.

If anyone would like to drop it there on my behalf, to benefit the page:

Mirror Swarm - mirrorswarm.com

Constructing the first Dyson Swarm, one atom at a time.

Cb6 (talk) 21:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Cb6, looks like you were having trouble with abuse filter 12. Wikimedia sites, unfortunately are prone to third party link spam and other types of vandalism. To keep away the ones who try to harm our movement to share sum of our free knowledge to others, we sometimes have to create filters like this. We regret the inconvenience and the false positives they may cause to our good-faith contributors, but we unfortunately have to rely on feedbacks like this to find those bugs and fix them. I have modified the filter and added an exemption. Could you try again adding the link? Thanks for your report. Courtesy pinging Leaderboard, who have set the filter mode to disallow. It looks like we are facing some false positives. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 04:17, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I think the filter did its job properly. I'm not sure whether it is worth adding that link to be honest; is it really notable? Leaderboard (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

You have read the "Feel free to add your site to the appropriate language list (select your language from the list on the right first)." on Sites_using_MediaWiki. Right? Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I'll admit that I haven't, however, I was fully aware of the intention and purpose of the page. I understand that it was good, but I was wondering whether every wiki powered by MediaWiki should be on the list or whether there should be a criteria of 'notability'. After all, this is an old page, and I am not sure whether this page would stand up today. But that's for another time. Leaderboard (talk) 05:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "notability" guidelines on this site. That page is for listing and keeping tracks of the sites that are using Mediawiki. If you want to change it, then please feel free to start a discussion. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Actually, WikiApiary is the place to list all sites using MediaWiki. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 12:52, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, so what should we do with the MediaWiki page then? It was created long ago when WikiApiary wasn't a thing, so was there any discussion on that page? Leaderboard (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

We may get in a never ending fight about what criteria we should establish to the acceptance criteria, so I'd suggest to remove all wikis from there, mention WMF sites and point to wikiapiary for a searchable list of wikis using MediaWiki. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 21:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

No objections. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 21:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I think that would be the right approach indeed. Leaderboard (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses. It appears "Sites using MediaWiki/en" may be obsolete, or just a rarely accessed index. There may be other index pages on other sites doing the job more prominently. I have no quibble with those scenarios. I do think that if the page exists then it should do what it says it does, which is to allow other mediawiki site owners to update the index in line with the invitation it presents in black and white. No doubt the position will be clarified in due course once the present debate reaches a verdict. ~ Cb6 (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

All of those site listing pages should probably just be completely removed, since even the existing sites on the list rarely get updated (note I didn't say never, I have actually edited some on it before) when they should, and it's not particularly useful. The way to go forward on this is probably to move it to a page listing WMF projects only, if it's to be kept at all. DSquirrelGM𝓣𝓟𝓒 23:37, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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About use of template parameters

Hi all, just two questions this evening: 1. Structured_Discussions/Project_information initialises 2 parameters projectpage=Flow/Project information and display= but projectpage and display are not documented in Template:Wikimedia_engineering_project_information so I dont know if I must add them to Template documentation, or if they are obsolète parameters which have never been cleaned (it is difficult to understand the situation because the doc seems not alignened on the contents of the template).

2. page Structured_Discussions displays in the second infobox 'Wikimedia engineering project information' only 6 items (name, description, group, begin, team,lead) although 10 non empty have been initialized (name,description, start, group, lead, team, project page, Phabricator, display, perennial). Why this difference between what we initialize and what we get ? Christian FR (talk) 20:33, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

1. Those parameters seem to not be defined in the template, so basically have no purpose.

2. The ones that do nothing are probably because of 1 Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki too slow

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what happens ? I get timeout problems. Other users concerned ? Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

This is a known problem. https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/1221513346781982722 Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

See also phab:T243713. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

very fluent and fast now; good. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 10:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Help for introducing translatable sections in templates

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Hi all; On Structured_Discussions/Project_information I have added translatable sections and then protected the tags in a switch. But I got unexpected results and broken the initial display on Structured_Discussions . Can someone help me showing the right way to pass from a standard template to a template holding translatable sections ? Thanks.

Christian FR (talk) 11:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

See Help:Templates . Everything outside ‎<onlyinclude> tags is discarded in the transclusion. Shirayuki (talk) 13:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I asked for guidelines but you have corrected the template by yourself. Now I see the section 'Structured Discussions Portal' appearing twice. Have you checked the effect ? Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 16:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

No. I don't know what you wanted to do. Shirayuki (talk) 21:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

ok good propagation of the correction now after Fuzzybot action. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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