In T423525#11836775, @Jack_who_built_the_house wrote:

The thing is, even if you do understand that, what's confusing is that you have {{plural:$N|}} and {{plural:$N|1=}} in one message due to different phrase structure: compare "21 comments" and "from users (list of 21 users)". It's just that the complexity we have here is irreducable.

Apr 21 2026, 9:10 PM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words.

Note: people unfortunately do get confused by this shorter syntax {{plural:$2|{{gender:$4|$3}}}} as well—in this case, the translator moved $3 inside the curly braces, but only for the last parameter :(

Apr 21 2026, 4:34 PM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Apr 19 2026

Jack_who_built_the_house closed T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words as Resolved by committing rMGCD12440772fd96: i18n(en): wrap parameters in gender/plural magic words.

Apr 19 2026, 10:24 PM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words.

In T423525#11836271, @Tacsipacsi wrote:

if you fear people won’t understand how {{PLURAL}} works in their language (in a lot of languages, it works such that anything more than one is categorized “many”, but Slavic languages indeed tend to be more complex)

Apr 19 2026, 10:01 AM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Apr 18 2026

Alice.Nicole.Smith added a comment to T423796: Mentorship modal uses gendered "he" pronoun — should use singular "they".

Omg ur kidding

Apr 18 2026, 10:14 PM · GrowthExperiments, Gender-Support, Growth-Team

Reedy closed T423796: Mentorship modal uses gendered "he" pronoun — should use singular "they" as Invalid.

	"growthexperiments-homepage-mentorship-about-mentor-par1": "{{GENDER:|Your}} {{GENDER:$1|mentor}} is another person with a lot of experience editing on {{SITENAME}}. {{GENDER:$1|He’s|She’s|They’ve}} volunteered to guide newer people like you on how to edit, and can answer questions {{GENDER:|you}} may have about using the site.",
	"growthexperiments-homepage-mentorship-about-mentor-par2": "When {{GENDER:|you}} send a message to your mentor, {{GENDER:$1|he|she|they}} will see it on {{GENDER:$1|his|her|their}} user talk page and {{GENDER:|you}} should receive a notification when {{GENDER:$1|he replies|she replies|they reply}}.",

Apr 18 2026, 10:05 PM · GrowthExperiments, Gender-Support, Growth-Team

Tacsipacsi added a comment to T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words.

In T423525#11832459, @Jack_who_built_the_house wrote:

But here comes another problem. People tend to overlook the fact that in cases like this you need not {{plural:$N|}} but {{plural:$N|1=}}, because the inflection form is not the same for 1 and 21.

Apr 18 2026, 7:16 PM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Apr 17 2026

• Aklapper closed T238953: Duplication: "RTL" and "Gender" are both Phab project tags and also workboard columns of the #i18n project tag as Declined.

Apr 17 2026, 12:58 PM · I18n, RTL, Gender-Support, Project-Admins

Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words.

If Russian needs it, I guess other Slavic languages (e.g. Ukrainian) are also likely to need it.

Sure. I've translated into Ukrainian.

Apr 17 2026, 5:44 AM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words.

@Tacsipacsi Thanks for your guidance.

Apr 17 2026, 5:19 AM · Plural-Support, Gender-Support, I18n, Convenient-Discussions

Apr 16 2026

Tacsipacsi added a comment to T423525: convenient discussions messages have many empty gender and plural magic words.

In T423525#11828852, @Jack_who_built_the_house wrote:

In this situation, I presume, it doesn't make much sense to go along with my rationale and we should just remove empty {{gender:}}s and {{plural:}}s to eliminate confusion. What do you think?