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My unlimited block in my homewiki
Status: Not done
As of August 14, 2022, my Arabic Wikipedia account has been permanently blocked, without fully explaining why this is necessary. I have been emailing the administrators for a long time to reopen the account. But none of them have answered. What does this policy of silence mean? What should I do now?. Why don't administrators of Arabic Wikipedia give any answer?--Ruwaym (talk) 10:32, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Also noting that GVarnum-WMF is not only paid staff, who appears to have created these pages in the course of their WMF employment, but is also a local, active, administrator on that project who can do their own cleanup. — xaosfluxTalk21:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
@Pppery @Xaosflux @Smaug the Golden For context, translations for wmf:Policy:Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/fi were not prepared by @GVarnum-WMF themselves, but rather, administratively imported from Meta-Wiki, as Pppery noted (see [1] for original translation source). Edits such as [2] are generally a part of the WMF efforts to move policy pages from Meta to the Governance Wiki (aka foundation.wikimedia.org). I think Gregory's actions have no implication on the content itself, and the original authors do at least claim to be native Finnish speakers.
In any case, decisions about those pages are out of scope for the GSR, as doing so would likely require at least a partial discussion (or a vouch-in from a trusted Finnish speaker). In addition to that, the deletion is also out of scope for global sysops in general, as their creation cannot be understood as vandalism, nor a potential deletion as a routine maintenance, which are the only two areas in which the global sysops can perform deletions. Not done for those reasons -- leaving the comment here for a short while for visibility purposes, will eventually remove/archive. Martin Urbanec (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Those "translations" marked for deletion by you are indeed either translated using a machine translation or they translated them without knowing enough of the Wikimedia "world". Usually it's better to remove erroneous translations and start a new from scratch than trying to fix them. Anyway, global sysops can't do anything here, so I would ask someone with sysop rights on foundation wiki to remove those marked for deletion. Stryn (talk) 06:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the note, in simply reviewing the onwiki page creations (such as this example) there seems to be a lack of attribution or other licensing information included with the publication that could have helped reveal that. — xaosfluxTalk23:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
That's unfortunately caused by the Translate extension. Would be definitely useful as a Phabricator ticket against Translate extension. It does say "importing from external source" though -- so at least the fact it's not the acting user's own work is recorded, even though not in an ideal way. Martin Urbanec (talk) 10:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I left a note at foudnation:User_talk:GVarnum-WMF#Possible_translate_import_problem to verify which steps are being used in this problem. "improving" something is great, but a specific task to track licensing violations may also be useful. — xaosfluxTalk11:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Part of this looks like it may be a process issue as well, i.e. user doing this publication appears to be able to provide summary information - and isn't (possibly because it is cumbersome). — xaosfluxTalk12:01, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
The easiest thing to do would be to delete the whole /fi page along with its translation units (since they are machine translated and make no sense, per above; nothing of value would be lost) and let native speakers start from scratch. However, since that page is in a restricted custom namespace, it needs a local administrator with translation administrator rights. Stewards don't have enough permissions. @GVarnum-WMF: Could you please take a look? Thanks, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
To clarify given this edit: we can give ourselves local admin/translationadmin (or any other rights), but there are local users, i.e., Foundation staff, who should be handling this, not stewards. This is a matter of procedure, not of technical access. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 16:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you all for taking a look at this. I have gone ahead and deleted the translations. Regarding the attributions and improved process in the future for migrating translations between wikis, there is a discussion on Phabricator taking place, as noted by kyykaarme above. More information on the editing policy and accounts policy for Foundation Governance Wiki are available on that wiki. Please feel free to ping me if you have any additional questions. Thank you again! --Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 01:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Request to delete pages
Status: Done
Can someone delete (or decide if they want to) these pages in various wikis
Spanish Wikipedia article, es:Anexo:Bailando 2012, is due for deletion after its deletion survey was closed with the result of delete. It was previously tagged for deletion after 30 days, but due to its long edits history, eswiki admins couldn’t delete it,[3] so a survey was created as a requirement to request a steward the deletion.--MexTDT (talk) 23:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
I was notified about the deletion request on dewiki but I don't want to interfere with one of my homewikis without local admin rights. Any other steward, please help. :) —DerHexer(Talk)08:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Create MediaWiki page to show the hide/show function for translation bar
Status: Not done
the Translation section on mswikt (local name:Terjemahan) needs the collapsible toggle button (suspected to be related to "NavHead" and "NavFrame" function) which show on "hide ▲" and "show ▼" function (in Malay: "sorok ▲", "papar ▼") so that the bar could be collapsed and expanded whenever needed. I suspected there is a problem with MediaWiki function, specifically MediaWiki:Gadget-defaultVisibilityToggles.js (mswikt counterpart) and MediaWiki:Common.css (mswikt counterpart). For reference please refer this page (can see that the bar under "Terjemahan" section is not collapsible on mswikt) and this page (the bar under "Translation" subsection of English section is collapsible on enwikt). Currently there is no available sysop that could help to address this issue, therefore please help us. --Hakimi97 (talk) 11:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done@Hakimi97: this is not a request-a-script-designer page; if you have a ready to go, tested (use your personal script pages) edit request, please document the exact changes you want made to the pages (as if you were making them yourself) and reopen this request. Outside someone doing that, the default messages should be used when there is not someone volunteering to support local customizations. — xaosfluxTalk13:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I see, but could you give some advices if there are any other module/MediaWiki pages which are related to the hide/show collapsible toggle button? Or maybe if there is any recommendation to whom should I consult regarding this matter? I just afraid that I might miss out some important pages in order for the hide/show collapsible toggle button to become functioning. Hakimi97 (talk) 15:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
@Minorax yes, one of the requirements to opt-out is that there are sufficient local admins, my note was just that there seems to be. Was letting this bake for a few days in case anyone wanted to add anything here. — xaosfluxTalk17:59, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Done There is a local consensus to opt-out and in any case the project no longer falls within the criteria. Imho it would be important to clarify whether this opt-out only concerns the criteria, as it seems to me reading the discussion, or whether it's really a request not to allow the GS to intervene in the future, even if the criteria for intervention of the GS will be respected, and I'm placing the request on hold until this point is clarified. Best! --Superpes15 (talk) 09:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Request on deleting
Status: Done
Hi! I'm ru-wiki user, I was an administrator of Abkhazian and Kabardian Wikipedia. I request to delete page in the project which haven't own administrators. I wanna delete my userpage in Kabardian Wikipedia. There are 1 administrator, which is abuse filter. Link: w:kbd:ЦӀыхухэт:Андрей Козлов 123. Userpages may be removed without reasons. Thank you. --Андрей Козлов 123 (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Comment I don't think that this is an area where there is a clear requirement to intervene. We ask all parties to utilise consensus and discussion to resolve issues. — billinghurstsDrewth22:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Granting 'pagetranslation' and 'translate-manage' rights to 'global-sysop' group on foundation.wikimedia.org
Status: Not done
Hello! From what I can tell, the permissions for Global sysops. At the gracious request of some of the Global sysops - as well as the Foundation's desire to work with them - they have requested Translate admin related rights ('pagetranslation' and 'translate-manage' rights should work) for the 'global-sysop' group on Foundation's Governance Wiki. Generally we have managed these rights for other groups via code, so I have also submitted a patch via Phabricator just in case, but can delete that this is more ideal route. Please let me know which method is preferred and if there is anything else you need from me. Thank you! ----Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 22:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
@GVarnum-WMF we would have to make a unique wikiset for just that one project for this (else we would extend the new access to all projects in the existing set, which could also be the way to go but beyond this simple request) - there is a relatively small number of users (and likely even a smaller subset of users that would actually do this within the subset) - the easiest and hack-free solution would be for one of foundationwiki's bureaucrats to just make those people local translation administrators. — xaosfluxTalk01:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done per above. We have briefly explored making GS's translation admins, and this could be revisited if desired (prior discussion at Talk:Global_sysops/2021 - note, I opposed there but the use cases may be different now). If your phab ticket is declined, and you also don't want to handle this locally the likely best case option would be to revisit adding tadmin permissions to the GS's on the opt-in wiki set. — xaosfluxTalk13:54, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
@Ea-Nasir: More detail required. Which template are you wanting imported, and from which wiki. Specifics are required. Us just transferring a random bunch of templates isn't going to work. Further mass importing complex templates from enWP can cause as much trouble as it solves. Let's hasten slowly. — billinghurstsDrewth21:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Hello, thanks for your reply. Are these templates possible? If not, what are the alternatives?
@Ea-Nasir: Very complex templates with many templates and modules utilised within it. If you were wanting those, then you will need to approach enWP and find someone who is willing to assist piece by piece. Not something that we can do from here. Some of the other wikis have simpler versions d:Q6249834 though that template is many years in the development. — billinghurstsDrewth22:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
I don't mind simpler versions, in fact that's even better.
How about this, for example? And this? Is that doable?
I think I figured it out, I do it by translating the wikidata item in wikidata. However, I couldn't figure out how to translate labels such as "Sex or gender" Ea-Nasir (talk) 11:58, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
cs.wikt is small project with few active users (less than 10). It has three sysops, but two are inactive and not answering for requests for intervention for long time (1, 2) and third has no time and doesnt feel like to read disputes between me and Dan Polansky. One of reason can be that few years ago the roles were reversed and I was exhibiting the same objectionable behavior as the one I am now protecting the project from - so maybe from the optics of this sysop there are two troublemakers and he is not willing to read about the heart of the dispute and what is wrong. Complication is also that the community is fragmented and there is mostly animosity between individual members, so it is hard to find somebody to help me. Also members just don't have enough time, as same as me. So it is reason why I need help from you and I am prepared to answer for your questions. Dan Polansky was not so active on cs.wikt before, as now he is (few weeks), because he has new infinite block on en.wikt. From this time he began "to improve" many things in very short time on cs.wikt which are all complete out of our prescribed article format. He repeatedly wrote that he would not respect the rules such mentioned WS:FH, cite rules, verification rules, etc. - he challenged almost every authority in order to assert his views - mostly by edit wars. When it came any revert for his "improvement", usualy he should continue following this diagram, but instead of that, he began usually the edit war. Only by persistent long-term persuasion and pressure did I force him to discuss the issues, so now it is no longer purely a reversal war, but a mix with discussion. But arguments are very often very subjective and although Dan Polansky very often refers to the status quo, he does not follow the status quo during the editing wars when it is not helpful for advancing his cause. Here you can see that the problem has been going on for a month and the problem is that i have too much another work and I am not able to constantly monitor and fix his deliberate mass bugs and "improvements". I didn't come here asking for some long block because cs.wikt is in desperate need of editors. But I would need some pep talk or a short warning block to stop the editing wars and sit down at the negotiating table. And if it is not possible to do like this, I can manage these problems by myself, but I would appreciate some kind of help that would force Dan Polansky to respect basic rules on cs.wikt, which to his disappointment are quite different than what he was used to on en.wikt. So even if no specific action comes from you, I will be very grateful for at least some advice. Thank you for your time and I am sorry for the length. --Palu (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Every day I have to do hundreds of totaly useless edits only to protect konsensual format. It would be great if you can help me somehow. --Palu (talk) 16:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
(non-steward comment) Stewards are unlikely to intervene in single-wiki disputes like this, as you can see from the fact that this has languished for months. * Pppery *it has begun01:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Creating those pages doesn't appear that it will fix anything. That other project is running a default gadget. Who is going to look after and support gadgets on mswikt? — xaosfluxTalk17:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done for those reasons -- leaving the comment here for a short while for visibility purposes, will eventually remove/archive. Martin Urbanec (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Done - the remaining pages in sowiki that were tagged for many months have been deleted now. — xaosflux Talk 16:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Comment I don't think that this is an area where there is a clear requirement to intervene. We ask all parties to utilise consensus and discussion to resolve issues. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
