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Imperial State Electric

Could you please take necessary steps to restore the article? I added clear proof that it is notable. I only temporarily edit here. Iconicos (talk) 11:29, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

It is never my responsibility to help people circumvent the past will of the community. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:18, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Merge CAT

WP:DUP merge Category:Ministry of Planning and International Cooperation (Jordan) to Category:Ministry of Planning (Jordan) Thanks. QalasQalas (talk) 05:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Please take this to WP:Categories for discussion properly. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Vontier Edits

Hello @Pppery I wanted to request some updated information to a company page that you edited back in July 2024. In complete transparency, I am an employee of this company and will be abiding by Wikipedia rules in order to maintain good faith. I would like to make edits to outdated information (non promotional) that is currently on the page and would love for you to oversee implementation of the edits since you've worked on this page before. Looking forward to hearing back --FindingYutori (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome to try. I have the page on my watchlist (and have had it there since the 2023 spat - it's my practice to do so when repeatedly reverting promotional material), so will notice any changes. I warn you that it's difficult to write non-promotional content about the company you are employed by, even if you are genuinely trying. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

History Merge on Tetrabaena

Hey @Pppery - I noticed that you reverted my history merge template on the Tetrabaena page. Perhaps that's not the correct template, but I'm struggling to find the correct template for a non-simple history merge, or any guidance as to how correctly flag this and the Tetrabaena socialis article for a history merge, given that it was originally cut-and-pasted from the article at Tetrabaena socialis. If you could provide any information on how to proceed, it would be much appreciated! ArchPope Sextus VI (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

There are WP:Parallel histories here, so a history merge is not desirable - the text merge is already properly attributed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:36, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Miguel Diaz

Okay, thanks. I see that the original redirect was by a good-standing editor, and the content by the puppeteer wasn't toxic, so it didn't need to be redacted. So the content by the puppeteer is still in the history, and duh. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you. I've rightly been told by another user to refactor my user talk page to remove all the old AfD nominations. In my will to get that template deleted I completely blanked my talk page and will restore all the important parts soon. Bobo. 19:15, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I don't mean to bother you....

Hello, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/AutoWikiBrowser has a serious backlog, myself included, spanning from March 18th, I saw you have done it before, if it is no worry, can you do some of the requests? If not its fine, I don't mean to be a pistol either, but I just see its a huge backlog! Thanks, Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:02, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrative_action_review#March_2025_revocation_of_my_AutoWikiBrowser_rights_by_Pppery seems to have discouraged me from processing AWB requests for a while. Not consciously, but I just haven't felt motivated to do it (and I've been going through a lot of off-wiki trouble, but that's mostly resolved now and never really prevented me from editing). And I really don't want to be the only person keeping a process from collapsing, as I am in far far too many scenarios. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey, can't say I haven't been through enough within my time here, its been a bit of a hassle! I understand if you can't, but I believe it shouldn't matter what 1 person or even 100 people think, it should matter what you think, If you believe you can't do it, DON'T. But if you believe you can overcome this, you should attempt to try, coming from someone that has felt similar issues. I came to you, as I believe you were one of the only, and I was right about you, about you being amazing for helping out. But everyone just tries to make you mad, and makes you upset... If you don't want to do it, its fine! I believe everyone has the right to their own opinion, but if you want to, it'd be greatly appreciated, as we've really wanted to edit with AWB, including myself... If you cannot I will go to someone else who possibly can... Thanks, Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:12, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Invite to revive...

I am restarting WP:USC or known as WikiProject U.S. Congress, it has over 10,000 or more articles that aren't reviewed, and I saw you were kind, loving, didn't have motivation and thought this will be a fun project to revive! I believe this will be a fun thing for you to do and help us review articles, we are in dire need of assistance and would love a kind and loving person like you! You don't need to say yes, or don't need to say no! Its up to you, and if you wish to ask anymore questions about this, you can do so at my talk page. Thanks, Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I have enough tasks to do for now, so no thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for even responding! Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

For your experiences.

		A beer on me!
		Please take it. Valorrr (lets chat) 22:23, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

As you wish. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:32, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

:) Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

"Chinese Private Security Companies (PSC)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Chinese Private Security Companies (PSC) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 April 9 § Chinese Private Security Companies (PSC) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/References

I'm not sure what's wrong with this one page out of seven. Why is this one not deletable like the other six? Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/References? Moxy🍁 05:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Because if I had been the reviewing admin I would have declined several of the other six too. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:11, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Why? Been doing this for over 20 years never been a problem before. Moxy🍁 05:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Please see the essay WP:!G6 that I linked in my edit summary. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Was thinking more that common sense should apply here vs and essay.... as they have throughout the years and for the most recent deletion request during this round of the wikiproject cleanup process. Would you be in a kefuffle if I redirected the page to the article where all this was transferred to a decade ago? Moxy🍁 05:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Redirecting is fine - for whatever reason we've adopted a much more freewheeling process for BLARs that for deletions. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Perfect I just did a redirect..... sorry for wasting your time. Moxy🍁 05:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I reviewed this page as well, had questions about it and posted a note at User talk:Bearcat as they created the page, to see if they agreed with the deletion. And Moxy, when you tag pages for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/etc.), you should notify the page creator. Try using Twinkle, set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify the page creator" and then Twinkle will post these notices on your behalf. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Unblock request

Hi, Pppery. You made a suggestion at UTRS appeal #102115. I have now restored the editor's talk page access so that they can post an unblock request there. I thought you might like to copy your suggestion to that talk page, or (perhaps better) wait and do so if and when they make an unblock request there. JBW (talk) 20:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Noted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Redlink cats

Go start a discussion on redlink user categories before you touch my userpage again. - Ned Scott 16:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

No. Stop refusing to respect prior discussions. WP:REDNOT, despite its location, has long been interpreted as barring all redlinked categories other than Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user talk page and Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user page. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Road designation

I see you fixed one, but could you fix the other uses on this page? I would fix it, but the template has been deleted, so I can't substitute it anymore. Frietjes (talk) 17:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Dab page talk pages

{{WikiProject Disambiguation}} states that talk pages should not be created to contain just this template, and the discussions linked from there point out that the existence of such a page is a disadvantage: it complicates page moves and it causes editors to waste time looking for nonexistent discussion. An editor yesterday created a large number of these, such as Talk:AANM, but seems to have stopped once I pointed out that they should not be created. It would be useful to get rid of them, and G6:"Created in error" seems appropriate. I tried 5 as a start: the latest 3 and the two which were on my watch list and had alerted me to the problem. You declined the speedies: please reconsider. PamD 05:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not comfortable doing that level of mind-reading to determine what "created in error" means - if Waxworker wants them to be deleted then they are welcome to tag them with {{db-g7}}, otherwise the pages weren't worth creating but also aren't worth deleting IMO. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:39, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I'll ask them to do that: would any other speedy Category have persuaded you? PamD 06:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

No. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

About declined request unprotection for at Cinderella III: A Twist in Time

About declined request unprotection on Cinderella III: A Twist in Time you didn't add the comment reason for declined why did you declined this request obviously there's no reason for declined unless you said per above like other comment from Tbhotch or Jéské Couriano tell me the reason for declined why? 2603:7000:8100:29F1:5468:438C:FBE0:8493 (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Both IPs involved in the request belong to Rgalo10, but you probably guessed that. Favonian (talk) 10:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Title blacklist question

Hey Pppery, poking around how the title blacklist system works when I noticed that you seem to be the main person responsible for maintaining it (MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist and Special:History/MediaWiki:Titleblacklist) so you seem to be the best person to ask, I hope you don't mind.

1. What is the correct procedure for requesting titles be blacklisted? I assumed RFPP but wasn't sure if it was handled there, but then I look at MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist and I don't notice any requests to add a whole page blacklisting.
2. Would a title blacklist be overkill for the problem of an internet meme, see Low Taper Fade, Low Taper Fade (disambiguation), Low taper fade (meme), Low taper fade (deletion log) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Low Taper Fade (disambiguation), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Low taper fade, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Low taper fade (meme).

I hope a response wouldn't be too much of opening a fresh can of maple baked (my personal favourite) but if so let me know. I'm just genuinely curious about the appropriate procedures for some of the things I'm coming across. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

The procedure for requests seems to be to post on MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist. For example see MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist#Protected edit request on 29 October 2024. 16:02, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

And I don;t think Low taper fade is quite at the point where a TB rule is warranted - an article on the meme (as distinct from navigational machinery that that article requires) has only been created twice. Normal salting should be tried first IMO, so I've done that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:06, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay, makes sense. Thanks! Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your continued upkeep, maintenance, cleanup, and refinement of The Wikipedia Adventure. Thank you for your dedication, time, and service. Ocaasi t | c 17:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Bosnian Cultural Center.jpg

Hi Pppery. Can you tell whether File:Bosnian Cultural Center.jpg is a reupload of what you deleted per Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 December 17#File:Bosnian Cultural Center.jpg. It was uploaded by user and has the same file name. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Marchjuly: The deleted image was nothing like the new one; it showed the interior of the building. JBW (talk) 08:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks JBW for checking on this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors

If you think creating an article when there is a draft to build up on is fine, then at least merge the two things. I won't let my work go to waste. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

You requested a speedy deletion for a reason that didn't meet any of Wikipedia's speedy deletion criteria. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

What, because I wasted what little time I spend on Wikipedia? No wonder I barely edit anymore. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:50, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Also, there's no content to merge - all of the content in the draft is also in the article and if anything the article has more content. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, but I did it first. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

If you want a history merge, then I guess I could agree to do that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Don't feel obliged, but it's just that it blows that the one time I do content it goes to waste. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

History merged. Sorry for my brusque tone there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Nah, I was the one who came by your page with that tone first. It's only fair. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:56, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker) : I've been having various discussions about drafts/sandboxes not really making sense for article incubation, and this is actually one of the main reasons. (Avoiding this). Have either of you got any thoughts on the matter? (Should we make drafts more official and more easily searchable? What about articles that have unclear names that could be created as several different drafts at once?) Thanks for any thoughts you might have... Tduk (talk) 22:38, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Careful

If an image is in use, you don't have to delete it for being FUR-less. You can just add the FUR yourself. DS (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @DragonflySixtyseven: The image was deleted per WP:CSD#F3 (Improper license), not because it lacked a FUR. F3 was applicable because when uploaded, the selected license was "The copyright holder only allows this work to be used for non-commercial and/or educational purposes", which yields the template {{subst:Non-commercial from license selector}}, which automatically adds {{db-f7}}. Pppery was acting on the presence of that last tag.

In addition, it is not the responsibility of Pppery (or any other deleting admin) to add a FUR. It is the responsibility of the uploader, which was Courage Doe (talk · contribs). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Quick question..

Are you still not in the mood to do AWB requests, if you are disregard this message, if you aren’t AWB has a backlog and it’s me and another member and I was wondering if you can review it… If not it’s fine! Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 15:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrative action review regarding an action which you performed. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 20:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Skyerise, ban, appeal

Skyerise is not banned but blocked, and what I posted on ANI was not a ban appeal, as there is no ban in place. Instead, it is a proposal to institute a community ban. —Alalch E. 20:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

In that case I would oppose it as unnecessary. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:51, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Do you have any ideas? This situation isn't good. —Alalch E. 21:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Why isn't it good? Skyerise is welcome to request an unblock via UTRS if and when she wishes to do so, and as a procedural matter that should suffice. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:46, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

It's very hard to appeal now because of the disagreement around what was meant by the use of capital letters. The way the system works, Skyerise is going to be required to admit and she has repeatedly denied. At the same time, the incident wasn't particularly serious. Then it was aggravated by also not especially serious arguing post-block involving the some of the least intense outing concerns I've ever seen lead to an indef. Meaning that for something not serious the editor is indefinitely blocked with talk page access revoked and we can predict with above 50% certainty that appeals are not going to work, meaning that we are losing an editor for something not serious. —Alalch E. 22:58, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

I kind of agree with you, but at the same time I don't think anything anyone can do now could remedy the situation. Trying to impose a community ban as a way of loosening the sanctions on someone is very unorthodox and not how the process is meant to work.

It's also possible that in a few months the initial block for that will have been seen as superseded by the later block for posting personal information, which will instead be what she needs to address, and Floquenbeam's comment kind of suggests that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, hopefully that's how it will be. —Alalch E. 23:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Rollback requests

Hey, I am really sorry for applying all the requests at once, I didnt have any bad intention to showoff but just wanted to gain a new exerience, if I get the rights so to prevent vandalism, Thanks for the guidance! 👑 Jesus isGreat7 👑 | 📜 Royal Talk 08:16, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Page moves

Hey Pppery, quick question. When moving pages like Tarran T1 Pro is there a way to avoid leaving a redirect behind? I have started to do a lot more page moves for AfC so it may be helpful. Thank you, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 15:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

No, unless you're a WP:Page mover there's no way to not leave a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. Maybe I will look into it once I reach the requirements. Have a great day! CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 15:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Unsigned2

Template:Unsigned2 has been nominated for merging with Template:Unsigned. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:19, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Holy Ground

Hi Pppery, per this move, could you also move Talk:Holy Ground (song) to Talk:Holy Ground (Taylor Swift song). Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Done. That is an instance of T12814, which I knew about but in the complexity of the operation (also involving a history merge and split) it must have slipped my mind. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:56, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

New article about Geoffrey Hoyland

Hello! I am currently working on an draft article about Geoffrey Hoyland (1889-1965) a Quaker educationalist and writer from Gloucestershire, England. I was wondering if you had any feedback and how you think it could be reviewed faster. Thank you! Haysop76 (talk) 19:09, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I have no desire to involve myself in this. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:10, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Atlantic Conference

Hi. Hope I'm not bothering you, but I would like your perspective on potential hijacking of long-standing redirects. This was a long-standing redirect to Atlantic Charter. An editor has taken the redirect and created an article about a subject which appears notable (haven't fully reviewed it yet). In my view, there are two solutions. Either, 1 - revert the redirect hijack and let the editor know they are welcome to create a new article, using a disambiguator, in this instance probably (organization). Or 2 - move the current article to the new title, and then recreate the redirect, adding hatnotes to both pages. The only guidance is the essay, WP:HIJACK/A, which suggests that it also includes redirects, but does not give an example which corresponds to this type of instance. The redirect, which definitely has numerous existing links to the Charter article, needs to be preserved. I'm asking you because of your edit on March 5 of this year. Thoughts? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I don't think (1) is the right thing to do - the end result of that is either more effort for everyone, or that an article on a notable subject gets lost in the shuffle. My March 5 edit was complaining about the process steps "Create an article over a redirect -> Move that article to draft space -> Someone else requests speedy deletion of the redirect -> The end result is a redirect deleted out of process" more than the end result. The question then becomes which topic, if any, is the primary topic for the term "Atlantic Conference", which is not something I'm equipped to evaluate.

There's also a draft at Draft:Atlantic Conference from my March 5 effort, which should probably be history merged (and possibly the redirect edits need to be split again). I'll handle that after it's sorted out what title the 2025 topic should go to. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 12:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for that. There's another article in the NPP along the same lines. I'll move them to a dab title, and then create dab pages. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Articles with inline parenthetical referencing progress

Template:Articles with inline parenthetical referencing progress has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 09:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Category:Spore (2008 video game)

Why did you selectively delete a large portion of the page history in this category? I'm curious since the how-to guide discourages selectively deleting pages when REVDEL works instead. Were you trying to histmerge the page or something? I'm just slightly confused since I'm concerned that I'm missing something. Fathoms Below (talk) 05:47, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

No, I just figured it helped nobody to leave the history cluttered with hundreds of vandal edits and reverts, even if they were revdelled, and doing a seldel was more in the spirit of WP:DENY. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:00, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Makes sense, I was just concerned in the case that a non-admin patroller would be confused why the page was protected. Haven't seen selective deletion used for that purpose before but I'll make sure to ask around since I'm mostly just curious. Fathoms Below (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for always swiftly and kindly dealing with my page deletion requests! I appreciate it so much! :)

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)