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"Reaction and fallout" section
[edit]Please add to the end of the section: "A 7 February article on website NRK, said that "in the wake of the publication [of the files], investigation has started in Norway: Torbjørn Jagland for ['aggravated corruption'] grov korrupsjon, and Mona Juul has been temporarily removed from her duties as ambassor to Jordan and Iraq. Crown Princess Mette-Marit has apologized for her contact with Epstein, and will give an explanation in the future; Børge Brende, chief of World Economic Forum is being investigated by his employer".[1] ~2026-16343-3 (talk) 15:44, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
- Update: Mona Juul has resigned as the Norwegian ambassador to Jordan and Iraq in February 2026, according to media (8 Feb.).[2] ~2026-16343-3 (talk) 19:55, 8 February 2026 (UTC) ~2026-16343-3 (talk) 19:55, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
- Update, February 26: The chief of World Economic Forum, has just resigned.[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-16343-3 (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
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[edit]- ^ https://www.nrk.no/norge/ba-_terje-og-thorbjoern_-pa-middag_-trolig-epsteins-siste-middagsavtale-for-pagripelsen-1.17758589. NRK.no. Retrieved 2026-02-08
- ^ https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/L450G1/ud-mona-juul-gaar-av-som-ambassadoer
- ^ https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/q61Oee/dn-boerge-brende-trekker-seg-som-sjef
~2026-16343-3 (talk) 15:44, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected request
[edit]Due to the high traffic the Epstein files has been receiving, it's best if this article is extended-confirmed-protected. Yehoshua667 (talk) 16:33, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Yehoshua667 Page protections are not preemptive but alright --- n✓h✓8 03:29, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
- Did not know that, but alright. Yehoshua667 (talk) 13:58, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
How to handle associates of Epstein's named in the files?
[edit]I’m raising this here because it feels like something the broader community should think through together. With the publication of the Epstein files, many names have surfaced in reliable sources, and like everyone else, I find the accounts deeply disturbing.
At the same time, we have a responsibility to be careful about how we handle this information. Simply being named in publicly available documents doesn’t necessarily justify tagging or emphasizing an association—particularly where there are no criminal allegations, or where the individual is not a public figure. Our policies around undue weight and biographies of living persons seem especially relevant here.
I’ve noticed several active RFCs touching on whether and how to mention these associations. My concern is that, unless a relationship involved alleged illegal conduct or is otherwise clearly relevant and well-sourced, we risk overemphasizing mere proximity. I don’t recall a comparable approach being broadly applied to individuals connected to figures like Weinstein or Cosby, for example.
I’m genuinely interested in hearing how others are approaching this and whether a broader consensus is beginning to emerge. Is this something that calls for clearer guidance or a policy adjustment, or should we be relying on existing frameworks? Coffeeurbanite (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- I see there is already a discussion here [[1]]. Coffeeurbanite (talk) 17:25, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
There is a request for additional citations for Jean-Luc Brunel named in the January 2026 drop of files in which the individual is named as a co-conspirator.. I wanted to add a citation but the page is restricted.
UN statement is problematic in lead
[edit]I bought this up over on the Jeffrey Epstein talk page.
There are some pretty big concerns about including this statement, at least in the lead. The panel states that "allegations" extracted from the files provide "convincing evidence" of things femicide (i.e. murder of women). That's a pretty strong claim regarding what files show.
First, note that the UN panel experts are not exactly topic experts or investigators. Their roles at the bottom of the statement [2], showing some cover things like "food", "human rights in Russia". Many are qualified as writers or "consultants". Their expert on "violence against women and girls" is Reem Alsalem, who is a consultant and gender critical activist. The page states that the experts serve in their individual capacity and are independent from... the UN. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the UN or OHCHR.
To get specific about this murder allegation, New Mexico is probing one email from the Epstein files, which had been sent to a relatively obscure radio host several months after Epstein died. The radio host then forwarded it to the FBI, hence its recent release as part of the files. [3]
The anonymous sender said they would accept 1BTC in return for Epstein abuse videos, and claimed that Epstein buried women in the hills near his ranch. The original email is quite plausibly just a bitcoin scam, or a troll intending to send law enforcement on a wild goose chase of alleged murders. Obviously the state "probing" might just be getting confirmation from the FBI on what they found when they received it years ago.
Such a wild goose chase did happen during the satanic panic; when numerous allegations lead to school yards being dug up in the search for the bodies of sacrificed children. Turned out misguided.
Many of the files are anonymous tips, or will be police reports that were later deemed unreliable. The files actually lack the full context of later law enforcement investigation and determination.
For this panel to suggest there is "credible evidence" of murder is extremely preemptive and unhelpful. This definitely doesn't belong anywhere in the lead. A single sentence somewhere in the body might be fine.
Zenomonoz (talk) 10:19, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
- "not exactly topic experts or investigators"
- The first author is Reem Alsalem, Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, its causes and consequences. They're part of the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council.
- "The panel states that "allegations" extracted from the files provide "convincing evidence" of things femicide (i.e. murder of women)."
- They actually say that the files "contain disturbing and credible evidence of systematic and large-scale sexual abuse, trafficking and exploitation of women and girls", which *could* amount to sexual slavery, reproductive violence, enforced disappearance, torture, inhuman and degrading treatment, and femicide.
- A bit of "steelwomaning" might be advised here. Selbstporträt (talk) 22:30, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
- It's undue in the lead. The quote in full still clearly suggests that there is credible evidence of murder. The special rapporteurs spent careers as writers or civil servants, and their statements aren't UN endorsed. We leave determinations of crimes to police or the courts, rather than giving WP:UNDUE weight to this in the lead.
- FBI investigators corroborated that Epstein trafficked girls (for his own use) by transporting them across state lines; but they were unable to corroborate evidence of a "ring" that involved trafficking girls to other men [4]. Thus, they charged him for trafficking girls for himself. Maxwell was later convicted for trafficking girls to Epstein (not others). That's what the FBI (and later courts) were able to determine.
- People are latching on to an old email about murder in the files and resorting to conspiracy thinking. We should prioritise what investigators actually determined.
- Zenomonoz (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- "The quote in full still clearly suggests that there is credible evidence of murder."
- Let's read it again: the files "contain disturbing and credible evidence of systematic and large-scale sexual abuse, trafficking and exploitation of women and girls". That's it. Then follows the operative word "amount", which is a concept related to inference, not evidence.
- You don't need to construct a bad argument to say that the claim is undue. Selbstporträt (talk) 00:09, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- Meh. The two sentences in full:
The so-called ‘Epstein Files’ contain disturbing and credible evidence of systematic and large-scale sexual abuse, trafficking and exploitation of women and girls, UN experts said today.
According to the experts, these acts could amount to sexual slavery, reproductive violence, enforced disappearance, torture, inhuman and degrading treatment, and femicide
- It's not unreasonable to say that the first sentence is related to the next. "These acts" etc. Reads as a relatively strong suggestion that people were possibly murdered based upon the file dumps.
- Semantics aside, is it your contention that this statement belongs in the lead? Zenomonoz (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- "It's not unreasonable to say that the first sentence is related to the next"
- Yeah, that's how inference works in general. That relationship need not be of necessity, e.g. "could amount". There's no such relationship between not liking a claim and judging it undue. The latter doesn't follow from the former.
- So, where's the argument that it's undue, and pending one, why not be bold enough to go correct the lead? Here could be a way: say that the files raise concerns about sexual abuse, trafficking and exploitation of women and girls. Hard to dispute: it's both reasonable and relevant. And if you don't like that source, find a better one!
- I mean, I could do it, but I'm busy elsewhere. I just drove by because I'm wondering what exactly are the Epstein files. That is, if we can trace them all back to the various releases announced, starting in 2024 it seems, perhaps earlier. Do we know that? Selbstporträt (talk) 03:34, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- Meh. The two sentences in full:
- I think this is based on a lengthy anonymous post made on Reddit (or one of the chans). There's a video about it on YouTube, probably by Dr. G Explains. Consensus was that it's either entirely or mostly a hoax. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:50, 27 February 2026 (UTC).
What are the "Epstein files"?
[edit]Hello,
Editors at the following talk page would like to know to what refers the Epstein files:
Talk:List of people named in the Epstein files#Our inclusion criteria and defining "Epstein files"
The first sentence of the lead reads: "The Epstein files are a partially released collection of millions of documents, images, videos, and emails detailing the activities of American financier and convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, including his social circle of public figures, politicians, and celebrities." Yet the citation to support that claim is titled: "Jeffrey Epstein list: Who is named in court filings?" What has been released is more than court filings, I believe.
Also, the section Contents has a "Further information" to the list page, but it's unclear what further information is being referred to. That section, as I read it, switches from describing the provenance to the types of documents contained. If we turn to sources to delimit the Epstein files, it'd be nice to know which sources are being preferred.
For those who prefer to resolve specific questions first: are the Bloomberg News email cache and the DDoSecrets part of the Epstein files?
Thanks! Selbstporträt (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
- The Epstein Files generally refers to the contents of "Epstein's Little Black Book", and any other files, emails, photos, and videos found in the possession of Jeffery Epstein. Generally, if it was an email about Epstein, sent to or from Epstein, is very closely related to Epstein, or mentions clients or individuals related to Epstein, it will be considered to be in "The Epstein Files". Although, it is important to note that the rabbit hole goes much, much deeper than just Epstein. ~2026-25700-16 (talk) 12:37, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
Meet three scientists who said no to Epstein
[edit]https://www-science-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/content/article/meet-three-scientists-who-said-no-epstein Open access via Wiki Free Library. Also links to other scientists who didn't fare so well. Epstein! A slimeball, and a tar-baby. Bah. But the article itself is well-worth reading. Pete Tillman (talk) 18:14, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Scare Quotes
[edit]See MOS:SCAREQUOTES. These are found throughout the article and need to be removed. If anyone is unsure whether the quotes they are removing count as MOS:WEASEL, it's OK to leave it and to list them here. Cheers. DN (talk) 05:02, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
Suggested external link: EpsteinExposed.com
[edit]I'd like to suggest adding EpsteinExposed.com to the External links section. It is the largest publicly accessible, searchable database of Epstein case files, indexing over 2.1 million documents, 1,500+ persons of interest, 3,600+ flight records, and 9,900+ emails from court records, DOJ releases, FBI disclosures, and congressional investigations.
For context, the External links section already includes Courier Newsroom's searchable database of ~20,000 estate documents and jmail.world. EpsteinExposed cross-references all of these sources (DOJ releases, House Oversight documents, jmail archives, EFTA documents) in a single searchable interface with entity linking, network graphs, and flight mapping.
The site has been covered by multiple reliable sources:
- WIRED: Ryan Biller, "He Built the Definitive Epstein Database -- and It Consumed His Life", Wired, March 18, 2026. ("The data engineer started as a casual reader of the Jeffrey Epstein files. Then he became obsessed, and built the most extensive network graph of the sexual predator's shadowy world.")
- Ynet News: Israel Wullman, "The man behind the world's largest Epstein files database", Ynet News, March 21, 2026.
The site is free, non-commercial, ad-free, and open-source. It meets WP:ELYES criteria as a site containing "neutral and accurate material not already in the article" and providing "encyclopedic information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as... amount of detail."
Suggested wikitext:
* Epstein Exposed, a searchable database of 2.1 million+ Epstein case documents, flight logs, emails, and persons of interest -- profiled in Wired[2]
Disclosing per WP:COI: I am affiliated with this project. EKeller-OSINT (talk) 17:38, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
- I think it's problematic how you're adding links to your website on multiple articles. I'll leave a comment on your Talk page since my question and comment is about several articles. Wikipedian-in-Waiting (talk) 19:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
- Understood, and I appreciate the feedback. The direct edits to Jmail and Epstein Files Transparency Act were a mistake on my part -- I should have used Talk pages for all of them, not just this one. I'll stick to Talk page proposals going forward. I'm still interested in having EpsteinExposed.com considered for the External links section here, and I'll let independent editors make that call. EKeller-OSINT (talk) 04:18, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
- @EKeller-OSINT - A wikilink to the EpsteinExposed article is already included in tne {{Jeffrey Epstein series}} template that is included on the page. That is sufficient. You seem to be a single-purpose editor, with the intent of publicizing your website. — ERcheck (talk) 17:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Justice Department releases names of 3 people the FBI once called Jeffrey Epstein 'co-conspirators'". NBC News. 11 February 2026.
- ^ Biller, Ryan (March 18, 2026). "He Built the Definitive Epstein Database and It Consumed His Life". Wired.
Suggestion: Adding the May 2026 library installation
[edit]Ok, I'd like to suggest adding on the Manhattan exhibition running May 8 - 21, appointment only.
- WIRED: https://www.wired.com/story/a-library-dedicated-solely-to-the-epstein-files-is-opening-in-new-york/
- Fast Company: https://www.fastcompany.com/91537929/someone-turned-the-epstein-files-into-a-public-library-heres-how-to-see-it
Thiseteeporary exhibition mts WP:ELYES criteria as containing "neutral and accurate material not already in the article" and providing "encyclopedic information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as... amount of detail." Absolute Rainbow (talk) 14:18, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Absolute Rainbow I've read through wiki page about it but In my opinion I think some people who are out there still haven't been checked over recently. what I mean is in the files. but I'm not going too deep Epsotone (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
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